Gearing up to meet near-peer competitors requires forces to accept that the advantages of C4ISR they may have faced in an asymmetric theatre may be degraded or destroyed. Near-peers can commit more significant and sophisticated resources to prevent our command and intelligence advantage. This requires a concrete and profound change in paradigm thinking in that having only one way of doing C4ISR is a grave mistake and that the concept of resilience needs to become the norm. In this interview, Alec Bain, a principal C2 analyst from the UK’s defence lab, DSTL, goes into detail on his thoughts on:

• The importance of resilience
• How the concept of resilience needs to go beyond just the technical and into Socio-Technical
• The current state and the future of UK C4ISR adopting resilience and its implications.